tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10853024.post90656332478644070..comments2024-03-12T20:20:35.830-05:00Comments on Organizing Notes: VFP member comments on the psyop 'Russia story'Bruce K. Gagnonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10845856861232395427noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10853024.post-38245213327759474602020-07-01T04:35:19.400-05:002020-07-01T04:35:19.400-05:00As one can easily see by reading this blog post - ...As one can easily see by reading this blog post - the 'critics' of this NYT story don't think it is true. They think it is one more big lie perpetrated by the corporate owned (and controlled) media. That is the whole point - critics are not allowed to be interviewed in these phony stories in the Times or Washington Post, nor are they allowed to be on NPR, CNN or MSNBC where the lies are touted day and night. That is why I post these comments from VFP members who have long experience dealing with the endless lies coming from the military industrial complex.Bruce K. Gagnonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10845856861232395427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10853024.post-31218626026764015412020-06-30T16:50:37.985-05:002020-06-30T16:50:37.985-05:00Pretty fair representation of this kerfluffle on t...Pretty fair representation of this kerfluffle on the VFP-all list. (Bruce and I were on different sides.) One remark was mine, the one about so much "Russia love" on the list, since the reaction to this story reminded me of emails from years past during the Syria mess, which I damned from the beginning. My one criticism of Bruce's round-up is that he sets it up as a debate about the New York Times "'fake news' story..." He did put it in quotes, but it shows his bias. I'm a journalist, and it was a "news story" and, as such, vulnerable to all sorts of criticisms, some I may have as well. My point is, it's great to damn US militarism, which I've done for many decades. But why not look at Afghanistan as a plague on both their houses -- US and Russia. Why do the Russians have to be the victims of grotesque US foul play, while the Russians are victims? Why can't both countries and their despicable leaders be bad guys? That's my beef. Then we could all discuss the journalistic realities at play in the placement of the story, which even most critics concede is probably true.<br /> John Grantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10853024.post-58689476896429739972020-06-29T15:57:03.042-05:002020-06-29T15:57:03.042-05:00Bruce, you have more patience than I to stick with...Bruce, you have more patience than I to stick with these long email debates. My comment is much like yours: <i>Frankly the story published by the NY Times and Washington Post doesn't pass the smell test. Why would the Russians risk such an operation when the Taliban are perfectly willing to kill Americans anyway, when more American deaths would probably prolong US presence in Afghanistan, and there is no strategic gain to Russia from such a move. I'm betting this is part of the intelligence community's project to get rid of Trump because he is insufficiently supportive (and totally inept) while pushing for a new cold war with Russia. The release of this 'information' by unnamed intelligence officials is designed to show that Trump is in bed with Putin. I frankly think Putin has better taste.</i>Charles Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02975241234146573609noreply@blogger.com